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'No Victim, No Crime' Bemuses NH Authoritarians

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erick rendoza
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It would seem a simple concept: That which does no harm to another shouldn't be the purview of a servant government -- established expressly to secure our natural rights -- to criminalize. Not in a free society, anyway. Not even under this Constitutional Republic, really. If there's no aggrieved party, then it's none of the state's damned business. <br> <br>So here we have HB1531, &quot;relative to prosecution for victimless crimes&quot; -- or, the &quot;No Victim, No Crime&quot; bill -- before the NH House Criminal Justice Committee, 2/9/2012. A bill restating the intended relationship between master and servant, and establishing that the lack of an actual victim is a positive legal defense against laws that thus overstep government's expressly limited delegated authority to interfere in peaceful lives. An explicit &quot;jury nullification&quot; opportunity. No victim? No crime. <br>http://nhliberty.org/bills/view/2012/HB1531 <br>http://nevertakeaplea.org/ <br> <br>But somehow, that government fails to see the logic. So tell me: Who should win that argument, the government or the People who authorized it, whose consent is required? Will arrogant government finally read its charter and agree to replace its chains and get back in its box? <br> <br>You know what's comin', don't ya? For the jaw-dropper, head for the 5-minute mark, where bill sponsor Rep. George Lambert is stepping the Committee through NH Constitution (a document they've all sworn to uphold) Part First, Articles 18, 2, 3 and 15 (as well as Part Second, Article 5) -- you know, only the entire basis for the committee's claimed authority. <br> <br>The point he's in the midst of making being that to require you to surrender up your right to, say, peacefully put whatever (or whoever) you want into your own body (without harming anyone, without creating a &quot;victim&quot;) -- the purpose, the necessity of such surrender being &quot;to ensure the protection of other&quot; rights (on this particular point, Rep. Lambert and I disagree) -- the state must provide you with &quot;an equivalent&quot; in protective services -- protection of OTHER rights -- for the loss of that right. If the state, your servant, provides you no such equivalent benefit, then you don't have to consent to the surrender. &quot;The surrender is void.&quot; It's right there in the state government's founding charter. <br> <br>And in as much as a victimless &quot;crime,&quot; by definition, harms no one, and therefore no one's rights need &quot;protecting,&quot; there is no equivalent of &quot;the protection of other&quot; rights to be provided by the state to citizens in exchange for surrendering, for example, their natural right to consume whatever they damn well please. <br> <br>One might be excused for presuming this to be mere basic review within the halls of the institution charged with understanding and upholding the document. But sadly, one would presume in error, nevertheless. <br> <br>And if you suffer through long enough, you'll hear the committee chair, after she closes the hearing, pontificate on the impropriety of new(er) residents participating in the NH political process. Nasty, troublesome people incessantly demanding the rule of law an' such, cramping government's &quot;creativity.&quot; Can't they all just submit...? What was that classic from our own &quot;King George?&quot; &quot;A dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier...so long as I'm the dictator...heh...hehe.heh&quot;

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sbseed
sbseed
1 year ago

after 33 min, i just cannot take the stupid anymore.

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sbseed
sbseed
1 year ago

shooting deer in the middle of the night, IS A VICTIM CRIME...
it is a crime against the entire community by potentially putting the deer (or other animals) populations at risk of over hunting and destroying those potential resources...
now running into/over animals is NOT a crime because the animals got themselves killed and was not premeditated by the person... the stupid disease is insanely spread around there.

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sbseed
sbseed
1 year ago

the first female is completely false... if there is intention and you go to someone's house/property in order to murder them, you are already their illegally, you already committed a crime against the victim the owner of the house/property period...

the second guy is also wrong, if there is no accident/crash/etc. from a drunk driver is NOT a crime there is no crime since there is no victim... they are trying to enforce unconstitutional positions where the gov./deepstate have total control and/are the ones who can prosecute anyone/everyone they want at any given time.
(we already do that)
and here again they are trying to be the precogs of crime, prosecuting people based on what MIGHT happen is illegal and goes against the constitution.

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sbseed
sbseed
1 year ago

prostitution and masochism is not actually a victimless crime...
it can be victim crime because of circumstances but ONLY because of certain thing going on, otherwise there is NO CRIME!
exactly, if there is misconduct or unwanted 'abuse' there is a victim in those cases and that can be proven there is a crime, anything else is not a crime.

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sbseed
sbseed
1 year ago

correct the only one who is the victim in a 'victimless crime' is the one that is illegally fined/detained/etc., therefore the state is the only criminally.

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sbseed
sbseed
1 year ago

criminal

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