The MGTOW that I know......

I don't think MGTOW is a cult just because a couple retards keep going full retard. We've seen this happen with Messenger Rising and his ilk, too, and now almost no one remembers them.

@csehszlovakze: it's not only that. If you listen to Hammer, you'll get it. Not only this video, but many other times he said shit that indicates it is a cult. People who cannot be questioned, ideas that cannot be discussed, people who are above you... Just listen carefully, you'll get it too.

@The Man Inside: I know what he means, but I simply disagree. For example, how do you have a cult without a leader, whether real or imaginary? Also, zealous ideologues exist everywhere about everything, you still wouldn't call a bicyclist a cultist for being radically against cars. Thanks to the highly individualistic nature of MGTOW (don't tell me what to do), these guys will be ignored eventually, especially if they don't get the attention they want.

@csehszlovakze: You sure there's no "leaders"? I see licking boot followers. There's a few groupies I see on every live, on every "main" channel. CGA, Popp, Hammer and so on. What do you call someone with followers who is above any questioning, who can do no wrong, who if questioned, his buddies and followers turn on you? I get where you coming from, I was there once. And I'm here, am I not? There's a crowd of men who really "go their way", and there's also a portion who are here tail wagging. Hammer claims that "MGTOW men" are the most open people to discussion. I have countless events that prove otherwise, including people who Hammer praises as being flawless. It's all good, just don't question the brotherhood. What's that if not a cult?

@The Man Inside: except there is NO man in MGTOW who's above questioning or criticism. For example, I don't buy into the "either you're a monk or you're not MGTOW" crap that even HH spews, because I'm not here to be the dick police. Maybe that's the problem, maybe MGTOW Monk™ is a cult, but the wider MGTOW community isn't. Hell, you can ask Sandman about it, usually when I comment on his videos it'll be criticism. My personal stance on MGTOW is to teach the newcomers the risks and *advise* them to stay away, but not forbid (like monks) or encourage (like Sandman) relationships.

@csehszlovakze: Mate, Hammer's own words. "I see no reason to question that man. I've seen nothing wrong in him.", that's what Hammer replied to me when questioned about a shitty attitude from one of his cult buddies. I have great respect for Hammer, but won't let that shit slide. I offered my time many times to discuss ideas with him that I don't agree, he never replied. He did reply to me when I said he was right about this or that though. He didn't blocked me even when i was harsh on him, and I know he read my words, and is fully aware of my existence. Unfortunately he won't read these words on this site anymore.